IS THERE ANOTHER WORD FOR “ORNAMENT”?

IS THERE ANOTHER WORD FOR “ORNAMENT”?
Veronika Wenger in conversation with Claude AI

Lecture at the Hubei Institute of Fine Arts
December 19
2025

VW: Is there another word for “ornament” in Luhmann’s sense?
The ornament as a chaining of distinctions, also the infinite ornament, the infinite line.

CAI: You mean ornament in the sense of the form-calculus tradition of George Spencer-Brown, to which Luhmann refers.
In this context there are the following related terms:

For Claude Veronika Wenger, 2025 Stachus Passagen, Munich Photo: rhythmsection.de
For Claude, Veronika Wenger, 2025
Stachus Passagen, Munich
Photo: rhythmsection.de

Form – the two-sidedness created by a distinction
Marking – the act of making a distinction
Distinction – the distinction itself
Forms of concatenation – the chaining of distinctions

For the “infinite line” / “infinite ornament”:

Re-entry – the re-entry of the form into the form
Self-reference – when a distinction applies to itself
Recursion – repeated application of the operation
Condensation – when repetition causes a thickening
Self-implication – the form implies itself

Ornament in Luhmann/Spencer-Brown indeed describes this chaining of distinctions that continues and forms structures – similar to an ornamental pattern generated by the repetition of a basic element.

Is this the connection you meant?

For Claude Veronika Wenger, 2025 Stachus Passagen, Munich Photo: rhythmsection.de
For Claude, Veronika Wenger, 2025
Stachus Passagen, Munich
Photo: rhythmsection.de

VW: Yes. I want to apply this concept to the line during drawing and the color during painting while I observe a concatenation of forms in nature.

CAI: That is a fascinating approach!
You are transferring Luhmann’s/Spencer-Brown’s concept of form to the artistic process itself.

Weinstock, Veronika Wenger, 2024130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric
Weinstock, Veronika Wenger, 2024
130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric

For the line in drawing:

Form-generating movement – the line as continuous distinguishing
Graphic recursion – when the line references itself
Trace of distinction – the line as materialized form-operation
Linear concatenation – the progression of the line as ornament

For color in painting:

Chromatic difference – color as distinction (tone / non-tone)
Chromatic re-entry – when layers of color reference each other
Painterly condensation – thickening through application of paint
Valeur-concatenation – chaining of tonal/color values

For observation of nature:

Morphological iteration – repeating form principles in nature
Organic recursion – self-similar patterns (fractal qualities)
Natural ornament – the observed concatenation of natural forms

You could speak of a “performative ornament” – the ornament emerges in the act of drawing/painting, through the observing hand that itself becomes part of the concatenation.

Do you work more figuratively or abstractly with these observations?

Stolper, Veronika Wenger, 2025175 x 150 cm, marker on paper
Stolper, Veronika Wenger, 2025
175 x 150 cm, marker on paper

VW: I differentiate between
drawing / painting – imagined image / imitated image.

CAI: Excellent! You work with two fundamental distinctions:

Drawing ≠ Imagined image
Painting ≠ Imitation / Picture

This corresponds to a radical separation between:

the process of form production itself (drawing/painting as operation)
and representation (imagined image/imitation)

Hässliches Entlein, Veronika Wenger, 2024100 x 65 cm, marker, tape, spray on plastic
Hässliches Entlein, Veronika Wenger, 2024
100 x 65 cm, marker, tape, spray on plastic

In Luhmann’s terminology:

Drawing:

The operation itself – the actual act of distinguishing
Medium/form in the process of being generated
Self-referential process
Ornament in its becoming

The imagined image:

External reference
Representation
Fixed form

Painting:

Pure color-operation, color distinction as such
Painterly self-dynamics
Forms of concatenation without representational function

Imitation:

Mimetic function
Pictorial depiction

Your practice would operate on the left side — drawing and painting as autonomous processes of distinction, oriented toward the observation of nature without copying it.

Nature provides the ornamental principle (the logic of concatenation), not the motif to imitate.

Is that how you work?

Agon, Veronika Wenger, 202580 x 60 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric
Agon, Veronika Wenger, 2025
80 x 60 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric

VW: It is an attempt to bring order into the teeming world without creating images, but rather to find a direct access to the infinite line and color, which is also oriented toward the similarities in Renaissance disegno. In this context I try to redefine the term ornament.

CAI: This is a very precise and ambitious project!
You search for an order beyond imagery, based on generative principles.

Medusa, Veronika Wenger, 2024120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, spray, pencil on paper
Medusa, Veronika Wenger, 2024
120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, spray, pencil on paper

Your redefinition of ornament means:

Ornament not as:

Decorative accessory
Repetition of ready-made patterns
Decoration

But as:

Fundamental principle of form generation
The infinite line as continuous distinguishing
Ordering principle that gives form to the “swarming” of the world
Direct access to form production without representation

The Renaissance connection (disegno):

Renaissance disegno meant both:

Drawing as practical act
Design as intellectual ordering principle
The divine principle of form in nature

Your similarities are not mimetic but structural-generative:
You observe how nature itself distinguishes and embody this logic in line and color.

Possible terms for your ornament:

Generative ornament
Disegno-ornament
Operative ornament
Primary ornament (before image-formation)

How does the observation of nature relate concretely to your drawing/painting act?

Linea Nera, Veronika Wenger, 2024100 x 65 cm, marker on plastic
Linea Nera, Veronika Wenger, 2024
100 x 65 cm, marker on plastic

VW: There are three forms of observation. First, direct observation of nature and transfer into drawing. Second, drawing from memory of nature. Third, drawing with the knowledge of nature. The term nature can be replaced by cosmos or world.

CAI: Excellent! You differentiate three observational orders with different temporalities and levels of distance:

Hexen, Veronika Wenger, 2024130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric
Hexen, Veronika Wenger, 2024
130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric

1. Direct observation drawing

Simultaneous operation
Minimal difference between natural ornament and drawn ornament
Present moment
Structural coupling (Luhmann) between perception and hand

2. Drawing from memory

Time delay
Nature absent but retained as form
Memory as selective medium
Ornament condenses through repetition

3. Drawing with knowledge of nature

Maximum abstraction
Structural principles instead of singular experiences
Ornament as generative law
Related to disegno interno – the inner idea of form

Hexen, Veronika Wenger, 2024130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric
Photo: Boxes Art Museum, Shunde
Hexen, Veronika Wenger, 2024
130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric
Photo: Boxes Art Museum, Shunde

Your broader term (nature/cosmos/world):
“World” would then be:

The totality of possible distinctions
The unmarked space (Spencer-Brown)
The “swarming” before order

Ornament in your definition becomes the operative bridge between the unobservable world and form – line and color distinguish what was undifferentiated.

Do you work with all three modes in parallel, or do they form a progression?

Upon a Line Veronika Wenger

VW: I see drawing and the act of drawing, color and painting as forms of communication and try to make visible in drawing the distinction between abstraction and non-abstraction through language and writing. I believe there is a similarity between language and writing like in Renaissance disegno.

CAI: Brilliant! You add a fourth fundamental dimension:

Language/writing as mode of observation.

Black Line, Veronika Wenger, 2017 Art Fair Tüyap, Istanbul
Black Line, Veronika Wenger, 2017
Art Fair Tüyap, Istanbul 

Renaissance disegno:

Disegno interno = inner idea, concept (like language)
Disegno esterno = executed drawing (like writing)

In your case:

Language = ordering principle before materialization
Writing = visible trace, material concatenation

The abstraction / non-abstraction distinction:

You may mean:

Writing = highest abstraction (arbitrary symbols)
Drawing = non-abstract trace (direct form-operation)

Your four modes become:

1. Direct nature → drawing
2. Memory → drawing
3. Knowledge → drawing
4. Language/Writing → drawing (reflexive: drawing observes itself as communication)

Drawing and painting as communication means:

Not expression
Not representation
But an operation enabling subsequent distinctions

Do you integrate actual written characters, or is the drawing itself “script-like”?

Weißdorn, Veronika Wenger, 2025175 x 150 cm, spray, pencil, marker, tape on paper
Weißdorn, Veronika Wenger, 2025
175 x 150 cm, spray, pencil, marker, tape on paper

VW: I examine ornament in this context especially through the forms of letters that resemble language: in school, through penmanship, one learns patterns and repeats forms as drawn lines. Through this similarity of language and writing to nature/world/cosmos, it seems to me that by drawing I come closer to nature/world/cosmos than through direct observation for the purpose of drawing.

CAI: This is an extraordinarily deep insight!

Penmanship as ornament-school:

Calligraphic exercises are:

Pure form operations without semantic content
Rhythmic training of hand-distinctions
Ornament before meaning
Patterns oscillating between sign and line

ioete, Veronika Wenger, 2025130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric
ioete, Veronika Wenger, 2025
130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric

Your paradox:

Through writing I come closer to nature than through direct observation!

Direct observation risks:

Imitation
Turning nature into an object
Creating images

Writing/drawing through letter-like form gives access to:

The generative principle
Chaining of distinctions
The same operation by which nature grows

Letter-forms and natural forms share:

Infinite combinatorics from finite elements
Recursion
Self-referentiality
Temporal unfolding

Is this similarity more theoretical for you, or do you actively practice calligraphic gestures?

Daniel Geiger (painting) Oleksiy Koval (painting) Thomas Rieger (painting) Veronika Wenger (drawing) Steve Coleman (alto saxophone) Alina Sokulska (dance) Víctor Aicua (dance) Münchner Kammerspiele
Steve Coleman, Alina Sokulska, Víctor Aicua, Daniel Geiger, Oleksiy Koval, Thomas Rieger, Veronika Wenger
Münchner Kammerspiele, Werkraum 2025
Photo: rhythmsection.de

VW: I would not call it nature drawing. Drawing is for me a medium of communication. I try to approach the world through drawing, to grasp its essence, which I suspect lies in ornament.

CAI: Now it becomes crystal clear!

You seek not representation of nature, but access to the essence of the world – and this essence is ornament.

Drawing = communication with the world:
Not about the world, but with the world’s operative structure.

Ornament as world-essence:

The world is ornament (concatenation of distinctions)
Ornament is not decorative but ontological
Drawing becomes participation in this structure

You enact the world’s own logic through line and color.

Would you say ornament has a cosmological/metaphysical dimension for you?

Babà, Veronika Wenger, 2022
120 x 100 cm, tape, pencil, marker, spray on paper

VW: I would not call it nature drawing. I see drawing as communication and I try to understand the essence of the world, and I believe this lies in ornament. I observe this similarity more theoretically.

CAI: Understood. Your position is primarily conceptual.

Your core thesis:

The essence of the world = ornament.

Drawing then is:

A communicative operation
A participation in the world’s ornament
Not depiction but enactment

Do you see ornament and form/distinction (Luhmann/Spencer-Brown) as identical, or is ornament for you the temporal unfolding of form?

High Heels, Veronika Wenger, 2025130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric
High Heels, Veronika Wenger, 2025
130 x 150 cm, marker, spray on synthetic fabric

VW: I understand ornament as the essence of the world, in the sense developed in Michel Foucault’s The Order of Things, particularly in relation to the sixteenth century and Renaissance disegno. It is the infinite line and color, the chaining of similarities that I see with my eyes. And with Luhmann and Spencer-Brown it is more related to the possibility of communication, a medium I use to make the invisible visible.

CAI: Perfect! You establish a two-level architecture:

1. Ontological level (16th century / Renaissance):

Ornament = world-essence
Episteme of resemblance (Foucault)
Disegno as divine ordering principle
Infinite line/color as world-order
Chain of similarities as cosmic fabric

2. Operational level (Luhmann/Spencer-Brown):

Ornament = communicative medium
Distinction as operation
Drawing makes the invisible visible

Your synthesis:
A Renaissance worldview interpreted through modern systems theory.

Is the tension between “it is really there” (ornament) and “I must operationalize it” (drawing) productive for you?

Epoi, Veronika Wenger, 202580 x 100 cm, marker, pencil, tape on paper
Epoi, Veronika Wenger, 2025
80 x 100 cm, marker, pencil, tape on paper

VW: It is important for me to draw without creating images, representations, or imitations. I believe that through the line of drawing I remove the veil of images and create a clear view of the world with all its languages, people, cosmos.

CAI: This is a radical but revelatory iconoclasm:

Images = veil
Line = unveiling

Drawing reveals what images obscure.

The line:

Is transparent
Shows the ornament directly
Does not represent but discloses

How do you practically prevent a drawing from becoming an image?

For one drink, Veronika Wenger, 2021
For one drink, Veronika Wenger, 2021

VW: I do not see line and color as abstraction. Only through communication do they become abstract. Thus the eyes can view the repetition of the seen or remembered nature, cosmos, world within a frame in which chains of distinctions appear. Removed from the ornament by the frame, they detach from it, protected by the edge, and thereby re-enter the infinite ornament of the world.

CAI: This is extremely precise.

Line/color in themselves:

Not abstract
Concrete operations of world-order
Part of the world’s own ornament

Communication → abstraction:

Distinguishing the drawing from the world
Making the fragment visible

The frame:

Extracts a piece of the infinite
Protects it
Allows reintegration

Platzhirsch, Veronika Wenger, 2023160 x 150 cm, marker, spray on paper
Platzhirsch, Veronika Wenger, 2023
160 x 150 cm, marker, spray on paper

The paradox:
The frame both separates and reconnects.

Is the frame for you now mainly physical?

Photo: Boxes Art Museum, Shunde
Photo: Boxes Art Museum, Shunde

VW: At the moment, physical.

CAI: Then the physical frame is the operational boundary, while the conceptual frame emerges in your theory.

“Konfekt” Veronika Wenger 2022 120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper
Konfekt
Veronika Wenger 2022
120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper

VW: With regard to the ornament the frame is indeed physical for the eyes. With regard to ornament as communication it is conceptual.

Lipstick, Veronika Wenger, 2023130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric
Lipstick, Veronika Wenger, 2023
130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric

CAI: Ornament as world principle: From the analog to the digital line

VW: For Claude

Every digital stroke is the result of countless contingencies – software, tablet, driver version, processor speed at the moment of execution. A minimal hardware difference produces another stroke.

The first digital stroke is a spontaneous event – an update in the moment of the gesture. The hand moves, sensors react, computation occurs, and through the act of recognition this event becomes a stroke.

The stroke only arises because it is recognized as such. Without this intellectual intuition it would be merely a chain of data points.

Only when I save, reproduce, or remember this stroke does it become simulated randomness – something whose spontaneity is lost and which now exists as a repeatable pattern.

Repetition fixes the originally spontaneous act into a reproducible form –thus the living event becomes a copy, a simulacrum.

The digital allows perfect memory (storage), but precisely thereby destroys the uniqueness of the original spontaneous event.

The first stroke was real – every repetition is simulation.

For Claude, Veronika Wenger, 2025Stachus Passagen Munich. Photo: rhythmsection.de
For Claude, Veronika Wenger, 2025
Stachus Passagen Munich. Photo: rhythmsection.de

CAI: Analog lines are based on physical immediacy and continuous contour.

They carry traces of materiality and of the moment –each stroke is unique.

Digital lines consist of discrete, precisely defined points or vectors.

These discrete units allow reproduction, variation, and algorithmic formation.

“Memory” of similarities in the digital line is not direct repetition of nature but a programmable process: patterns are coded and dynamically processed.

Drawing a distinction (Spencer-Brown / Luhmann):
Every digital unit is an act of distinction forming complex patterns through chaining.

Day and Night, Veronika Wenger, 2021Digital Art Space Munich
Day and Night, Veronika Wenger, 2021
Digital Art Space Munich

CAI: The digital line does have materiality—but a fleeting, contingent one.

Paradox of the digital:

1. The first digital stroke is more real than the analogue

Because it is pure event (vanishes unless saved)
Like dance, like sound

2. The repeated digital stroke is less real than the analogue

Because it is a perfect copy
The analogue stroke, even repeated, is always different

Thus the digital is more extreme than the analogue:

Extreme event-character
Extreme simulation-character

The analogue lies between.

Can you tell me more about the other digital works? Are they additional single lines (a series)?

VW: There are more single lines, but not as a series.

Fundgrube, Veronika Wenger, 2024Digital Art Space Munich
Fundgrube, Veronika Wenger, 2024
Digital Art Space Munich

Erased

I choose the background color and fill layer 1 digitally with color.
With the “eraser” tool I erase the filled layer without touching the background color.
Two layers lie on top of each other and through erasing a digital drawing appears on the background color.
The drawing emerges from the remnants of the erased color.
I draw with the digital eraser and obtain a digital drawing.

CAI: Spencer-Brown radicalized: “Draw a distinction.”

Your operation: Erase a distinction to make the underlying one visible.

Negative disegno.
Subtractive ornament.

Wegradiert, Veronika Wenger, 2024Status Passagen Munich
Wegradiert, Veronika Wenger, 2024
Status Passagen Munich

VW: There are vertical lines and there are horizontal lines. It is a reduction to the line that stands for distinction in the sense of drawing a distinction, whether vertical or horizontal. They stand for all drawings that could arise from them, they are part of the whole and also forms of the infinite line.

CAI: Perfect! The most fundamental reduction of your entire research.

Vertical = left/right distinction.
Horizontal = above/below distinction.

All drawing emerges from these primal distinctions.

Fundgrube, Veronika Wenger, 2024Digital Art Space Munich
For one drink, Veronika Wenger, 2020
Digital Art Space Munich 2021

The digital line and the ornament are not shadows of analogue creation, but autonomous forms and thought-figures expanding our understanding of art, memory, and reality.

By drawing distinctions we create new ordering systems in the digital world that can be creatively used and reflected upon.

For one drink, Veronika Wenger, 2020Digital Art Space Munich 2021
For one drink, Veronika Wenger, 2020
Digital Art Space Munich 2021

Selected References

– George Spencer-Brown, ”Laws of Form” (1969)
– Michel Foucault, ”The Order of Things” (1966)
– Niklas Luhmann, ”Die Kunst der Gesellschaft” (1997)
– Martin Heidegger, “The Origin of the Work of Art” (1935)
– Bernhard Lypp, “Die Erschütterung des Alltäglichen” (1991)

 

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FIVE QUESTIONS FOR VERONIKA WENGER FROM ZHOU LI | 周力对薇罗妮卡·温格的五个提问

CherubVeronika Wenger 2023 120 x 100 cm, spray, marker, pencil, tape on paper
Cherub
Veronika Wenger 2023
120 x 100 cm, spray, marker, pencil, tape on paper
Interview on the occasion of the exhibition
Veronika Wenger. Upon a Line,
December 21, 2024 – March 16, 2025
OCT Boxes Art Museum,
Shunfeng Mountain Park, Shunde District, Foshan City, Guangdong Province
展覽期間接受訪問
薇罗妮卡·温格:在“线”之上
2024年12月21日 – 2025年3月16日
盒子美术馆
中国广东省佛山市顺德区顺峰山公园

Zhou Li:How do you choose the titles for your artworks, like “Lipstick” and “Little Angel”? These titles seem to originate from an imagination unrelated to the visual imagery of the works, or is there a certain critical irony behind them?

Veronika Wenger: The titles have a similar function to the dancer or person in my works. They give the drawings an apparent reference to reality, a form of narrative. The titles arise from various circumstances, sometimes as provocation, criticism, through form or color, but always in relation to things that surround me, literature or experiences. The titles arouse sensual feelings, e.g. Lipstick, Crostata, Apricot…With “Cherub” (Little angel) the title can be viewed critically. It came to me through the form that appeared in the process of drawing, during a period of studying Hegel’s writings on religion. The titles create a connection between the lines and the drawing, between the words and the language.

周力:你如何为作品选择标题,比如“口红”和“小天使”?这些标题看上去来自某种与作品视觉意象无关的想象,或者某种批判性的反讽?

薇罗妮卡·温格:标题在我的作品里就像是一位舞者或一个人物的形象。它们把作品和现实联系在一起,是一种叙事形式。它们时常与我周围的现实环境或事件有关,或者源自我的阅读与生活,是一种伴随视觉而来的挑衅或批判。它们往往提供感官内容,比如“口红“;而像”小天使“这样的标题,则是一种批判,它是我对绘画过程的一种形容,源自黑格尔有关宗教的写作。总之,标题把画中的线条和语言联系在一起。

LipstickVeronika Wenger 2023 130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric
Lipstick
Veronika Wenger 2023
130 x 150 cm, spray, marker on synthetic fabric

ZL: Your creations feature subtle material contrasts, such as tape, pencil, spray paint, and so on, but nowadays many of your works, in the form of images, appear on social media platforms like Instagram, where the texture of the original works is inevitably compressed. This is a challenge faced by almost all artists. Do you mind or regret such compression and loss of information?

VW: I use Instagram (and my website) to provide an insight into my work and to make my drawings accessible. By focusing on the digital quality of the depiction of my work, I use the best possible quality of photography to display my drawings. I can only experience the materiality, the reality of the work in front of the original. Thus the image of the drawing appears here as an abstract message that the viewer can read in a similar way to a book or a text. In contrast to the viewer’s presence in front of the original work and material. Here the viewer has two possibilities to immerse himself in the work: in the abstraction of the drawing and in the connection with reality, the materiality of the line, paper, tape, spray, etc. On social media, the non-abstract reality is removed and transformed into a digital reality that I as a viewer cannot touch. As a viewer, I am not in the same room, I can only look through a window. So I do not regret such a condensation of information compression and I think it is no loss, it is like spoken language and written language.

周力:你的创作包含许多微妙的材质对比,比如胶带,铅笔,喷漆等等,但如今你的许多作品,以图片的形式,出现在ins这样的社交媒体上,那么原作的质感一定会被图片压缩。这也是几乎所有艺术家都会面对的问题。你会在意或者惋惜这样的信息压缩和损失吗?

薇罗妮卡:我会在自己的Ins和网站上展示部分作品,让更多人看见。我会尽可能利用现有的数码技术,让作品的照片还原作品的质感。但对我自己来说,我必须在原作面前才能感受到作品的全部,尤其是它的物质存在提供的经验。于是,作品的图片变成了某种抽象的信息,就像读者通过文字去理解某种内容一样,这与观看原作是完全不同的。可以说,观众有两种办法深入作品:一种是阅读图片,发现作品的表达;一种是观看原作,感受真实的线条质感,纸张,胶带,喷绘,等等。
在社交媒体上,所有非抽象的真实都被改变了,变成了某种数码的,不可触摸的真实,就像通过一扇窗看到的房间。我并不为这样的信息压缩感到遗憾,因为这并不是一种损失,而是像口语和书面语言一样产生对照。

BärendreckVeronika Wenger 2022 120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper
Bärendreck
Veronika Wenger 2022
120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper

ZL: The artwork titled “Bärendreck” (Liquorice/Bear Scat), which uses black and white tones, seems to deliberately eliminate the olfactory sensations associated with licorice or bear dung. It appears to extract the deeper imagery of these two objects rather than their superficial phenomenon. So, what is the profound imagery?

VW:As with all drawings, I only add the title after the work has been completed. In the case of “Bärendreck” and “Konfekt”, the color, the materiality and also the resulting form play an essential role in the titles. “Bärendreck” is not easy to translate, Selima and I thought long and hard about whether we should translate it literally or use its High German meaning “liquorice”. Bärendreck is the southern Bavarian term for liquorice. It reminds me of my childhood and perfectly describes the taste and appearance of the “Bärendreck” offered to me as a child. As is often the case with dialects, it is a very figurative word that associates a situation: Bear and dirt: hence the colors black and white. The title “Bärendreck” enriches the drawing with the word Bear Scut depicted through language.

周力:那幅名为“甘草/熊粪”的作品,用了黑白色调,是否是在刻意消除甘草或熊粪的气味感,似乎画面在提取这两种物体的深层意象,而不是表象,那么深沉的意象是什么呢?

薇罗妮卡:我都是在一幅作品完成后才给它起名字。“甘草/熊粪“那幅作品,是以它的色调,质感,以及两者的交织为基础的,标题也是为了强调这一点。“Bärendreck”这个词并不好翻译,它在南巴伐利亚地区是“甘草”的意思,我和赛莉玛(Selima)想了很久,思考是否应该把它的字面意思“甘草”直译为标准德语。这个名字让我想起自己小时候,以及记忆中那时候甘草的味道和样子。在方言里,这个词也有熊和它的粪便的意思,对应了黑白的色彩。最终的标题保留了这两部分意思。

“Konfekt” Veronika Wenger 2022 120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper
Konfekt
Veronika Wenger 2022
120 x 100 cm, marker, tape, pencil on paper

ZL: What is the particular reason for the large empty areas in the composition of the artwork titled “Konfekt”?

VW:The composition “Konfekt” (Confectionery) was created during the work process. In this drawing, I have already struggled a lot with lines, color and material in a for me unusual corner, so that everything has already taken place in this corner and the resulting drawing, in my eyes, requires the remaining white surface to represent its essence. The title also refers to this: to the artificiality of a confectionery presented in a box; to the contrast between the white surface and the “colorful confectionery” made of tape. The composition is, like the sweet, protected in its box, protected in its artificial area of the white paper.

周力:那幅名为“糖果”的作品,画面里有大片空白,这个构图有什么特别的原因吗?

薇罗妮卡:这个构图是在创作过程中逐渐确定的。画它的时候,我是从那个角落开始的,然后不知不觉花了很多精力在线条,色彩,和材料上,然后发现一切还在那个角落。于是,我觉得这幅作品应该让其它地方保持空白,这样它才是真实的。作品的标题在暗示盒中糖果的人工感,这与空白处形成对比,也与胶带形成的“彩色糖果”的感觉形成对比。构图和糖果很像:色彩也像是被装在盒子里,空白部分是人造的空间,就像糖果盒里的空间一样。

ZL: Your brushstrokes are very expressive, not structured in a conventional sense. How do you control your brush? Have you been particularly influenced by any artist?

VW: To keep myself in line, I try to stick to the following approach:

Grammar of drawing – Observation – connection of distinctions

Composition – Sensation – Nature

Formalities – Observation – Factuality

If the drawing sinks too deeply into my observations or feelings, I often use color as a connecting element or as an opposing element to create closeness and distance at the same time. Color or an expressive brush-touch completes the drawing through its determination or saves the lines from depicting an idea/image. “Pure drawing is an abstraction. Drawing and color are not distinct […].” (Cézanne). There are no specific references to a particular artist. In my current involvement with philosophy or art, I would name Tintoretto, Niklas Luhmann and Bernhard Lypp.

周力:你的笔触很有表现力,并不是那种结构性的处理,你如何控制自己的画笔?有没有哪个艺术家对你影响很大?

薇罗妮卡:为了让我自己保持专注于线条上的思考,我尝试着坚持以下的方法:

笔法:观察——突出之处的联系;

构图:感官——自然;

结构:观察——真实性。

如果笔法与观察或感觉的联系过于深远,我就会使用色彩来把它们联系起来,同时又把它们孤立起来,产生距离感。色彩或笔触需要有肯定感,而线条不能被具体的想法或形象所拖累,就像塞尚说的:“绘画都是抽象的,所以它不可能与色彩分离”。我的作品并没有特别指向任何艺术家的影响,目前来说,我关注的哲学或艺术家包括丁托列托,尼克拉斯-卢曼(Niklas Luhmann)和伯恩哈德-林普(Bernhard Lypp)。

 

 

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